Price Earning ratio and EBITDA.
(EBITDA – Earnings before Interest, Tax, Depreciation and Amortization.)
PE ratio is widely used by stocks analyst in their recommendations to highlight the attractiveness of certain securities they are promoting. Personally, I avoid this indicator because the price is current that changes virtually with every trading seconds and the earning numbers is at best three months old. You will also notice I do not make reference to it in my Posting # 8.
My term of reference of this posting is based on two articles related to PE ratio & EBITDA according to Warren Buffer, Charlie Munger and Seth Klarman.
Digressing a bit, in Posting # 8, I have included a pdf document titled “Warren Buffett Interprets Financial Statements”. This document allowed me to design my stock analysis check list which I posted along with Posting # 8.
I have done an analysis of the Malaysian stocks using the template covering more than 120 companies spread over 25 industrial sectors in late 2015. I have noticed counters obtaining high scores using the template have so far performed well except for the Oil & Gas and Oil Palm counters which are affected by their cyclical nature.
Another way of looking at the result from such a study is to look for those counters that scored well according to the template but the price remained stagnant. Such counters are possibly going through a “Price & Value divergence”. I am prepared to share the detailed information with anyone who desires to know more.
Buffet wrote in his year 2000 Berkshire Hathaway annual report to shareholders wrote that “Common yardsticks such as dividend yield, the ratio of price to earnings or to book value, and even growth rates have nothing to do with valuation except to the extent they provide clues to the amount and timing of cash flows into and from the business”.
Buffett’s Thoughts on EBITDA?
We won’t buy into companies where someone’s talking about EBITDA. If you look at all companies, and split them into companies that use EBITDA as a metric and those that don’t, I suspect you’ll find a lot more fraud in the former group. Look at companies like Wal-Mart, GE and Microsoft — they’ll never use EBITDA in their annual report.
People who use EBITDA are either trying to con you or they’re conning themselves. Telecoms, for example, spend every dime that’s coming in. Interest and taxes are real costs.
Seth Klarman on EBITDA from his Book Margin of Safety.
A Flawed Definition of Cash Flow, EBITDA, Leads to Overvaluation.
EBITDA Analysis Obscures the Difference between Good and Bad Businesses.
For better understanding of this posting, please go to Buffett_PE ratio not for valuation-a & Buffett, Munger and Klarman’s thoughts and explanations on EBITDA. Pdf attached.
Attachment : Buffett_PE ratio not for valuation-a, EBITDA_Buffer_Munger_Klarman
Happy reading,
Tan Nai Seng